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The WFFCW was created August 5, 2001 :: we're 16 YEARS OLD!
WHAT IS THIS WEBSITE ABOUT? Some of this is a personal website containing REBUTTAL, REPLY, and COMMENT to (primarily) public statements and accusations made by various self proclaimed "internet dog training experts". The majority of the statements and accusations are FALSE, and refer to me, personally. The nucleus of this website is based on verbatim quotes of public messages, most of which are archived with their respective lists. Unless noted, nothing has been altered, other than formatting line length to screen width and changing the font style. Other parts of this site contain OPINIONS, HUMOR, PARODY, COMEDY, and SARCASM which reflect my own personal sense of humor and viewpoints. The First Amendment of the Constitution adequately, particularly, and specifically provides these rights. This site is for educational and entertainment purposes. This is emphatically not a "hate" site. There is no hate, and never was. Profanity is kept to a minimum, but it does exist. If this website seems offensive to you, in any way, please leave now. Please do not subject yourself to being offended.
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Long table: 36" high, 24" wide, 16' long, overhead cable 37" above table top with free-sliding, adjustable drop chain
Square table: 48" square top, ~40" high, center post with adjustable length chain
ADVANCED AGITATION ONLY
Round table: 6.5' diameter, 19.5" tall, 3.5" steel center post with rotating spinner and adjustable length chain
|Also see these links: 1 2 3|
In 1991, Gene England invented and developed training tables. Initially, when he told me about them on the phone, I thought he was crazier than a bat on LSD, and made a lot of insulting, derisive, sarcastic remarks about "training dogs on tables". Within 24 hours, (2 more phone calls), I was on the way to Gene's in Bowling Green, Kentucky. 752 miles - my driveway to his. If I recall correctly, I brought 3 of my dogs with me at that time.
I hadn't been to Gene's for several months, and he'd made some changes - two complete new training rooms, and a new training partner - one of the unsung heroes of working dog trainers: Mike Rankin. Mike is simply amazing with dogs and tables, and he gained my respect within an hour. Next to Gene, he reads dogs better than anyone I've ever met - and he can explain, too.
Upon arrival, I helped move some of these contraptions - and that's exactly what they were built like! - into the second training room. Very few people were there, classes wouldn't begin for three or four more days.
Keep in mind, I went there thinking Gene had finally gone over the edge - my mind was not what you'd call "completely open" to this "table training" concept - not at all. I wasn't worried, nervous, or unsure - Gene and I have been training and trusting since 1983. 8 years of constant honesty builds up a lot of trust. I trust Gene implicitly - I'd leave any or all of my own dogs with him without a second thought. I just thought he'd gone crazy with this "table training" thing. Man, was I in for a surprise!
After moving these "things", Gene and Mike spent several hours with me, explaining philosophy. They made me think. I started to learn about options, looked through a B.F. Skinner book briefly, and learned how this area of psychology applies to dogs and humans alike. These issues alone - options - changed my way of thinking about all forms of teaching and training, forever.
Anyone that knows Gene, knows he's quite enthusiastic once he gets started on a subject. And he'll also digress, trying to teach everything at once. We jumped from round table to long table exercise discussions like bunny rabbits. But I learned. Because they made me think.
In short order, I really started to comprehend why the tables can be such beneficial tools. My mind is fairly quick, and just listening to Gene and Mike - and interrupting with plenty of questions - the ideas took shape, and the "table system" started to unfold. At first, (for about 6 hours or more), this was all done without any dogs. And the discussion always came back to options.
Hours later, after much discussion, questions, and answers, I brought one of my own dogs in. We rehearsed several table exercises together, then they handed it over to me - so I could make a fool of myself - which I did. But that only lasted a short time. I got the techniques under control a lot faster than most of the handlers who showed up a few days later.
When it comes to Gene, I learn like a rocket ship. Gene makes sense to me. He also turns thoughts and theories into facts - right before your eyes.
Maybe this is why some people think I "hero worship" Gene. Except I don't. Gene happens to be the best I've ever met in any area of dog training, and he's able to communicate at a college graduate level, too. Gene took me "under his wing" 8 years before tables. I've been around - I've met, seen, and trained with plenty of trainers - in the U.S., Netherlands, Germany, and Belgium. Some of them have been good - some very good. But after all the trips, Gene's still the best I've ever met. That isn't hero worship - that's just the way it is.
Gene has a habit which I gleefully stole from him, back in 1983: he teaches, and intermingles this with asking you questions - he finds out how clear your thinking is, and if you genuinely understand, or if he needs to clarify an issue.
Gene and Mike also brought in numerous other dogs, showed me what to do, and handed the situation to me. From these experiences, I began to read the dogs better, and to apply what Gene and Mike had been immersing me in for nearly an entire day. I was questioned endlessly: "What is the dog doing this second?" "Why?" "What caused it?" "What behavior are we looking at, Steve?" Then the facts: "We can work that dog right past this in 10 minutes or less." "This dog only needs to stabilize to a new environment." "3 more repetitions, and you'll see a complete change in attitude." And they were right! The mental applications they taught me were right. Not once - every time.
Later on, other "trainers" - the ones that couldn't be bothered learning - started building tables, too. Then along came the internet, and with it came the "message groups", a breeding ground for the horror stories, ridiculous lies, and total miscomprehensions about tables.
But I was the fortunate one. I learned directly from the man who invented table training.
I learned from Gene, a person that many people consider to be a genius with dogs.
A person who can tell you what's going to happen and then show you - with just one look at a dog.
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|Many of these are Marco - the dog that would NOT out. Marco formerly belonged to 3 different police agencies - nobody could get Marco to release the bite. This dog was a certified lunatic in biting. It took about 5-6 weeks, and we had Marco outing reliably on one or two commands. These videos illustrate "works in progress". None are an attempt to show "finished training". It would take 90 pages of writing - per video - to attempt to explain the exact details of goals, how, and why I'm doing the things I'm doing.|
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|1||Marco never knew the "stand" command - and was never on the long table before||20 mins.||click|
|2||Marco, early bites on the round table||10 mins.||click|
|3||Charlie, a couple test bites, first time on table||3 mins.||click|
|4||Long table, stabilization, down exercise, 2 yr. Rottweiler bitch. This dog never needed another "down" correction during the next 9 years of her life. THIS IS OBEDIENCE - not bitework. (note: all the barking is not coming from the Rottweiler, but from a Mal in a crate in the training room - as soon as he leaves, the noise ends)||16 mins.||click|
|5||Marco, obedience exercises on field - we got the "stand"||6 mins.||click|
|6||Marco, more bites (he penetrated the sleeve, my left elbow is bleeding, the other cops thought that was funny - I didn't)||17 mins.||click|
|7||Marco, bites, recall, and outs on the field after 5-6 weeks on the round table - WE WON!||8 mins.||click|
|8||Steve the TV star (channel 44 did a 3 night special on us)||16 mins.||click|
|9||ESPN Sports footage (Bar the TV star)||4 mins.||click|
|Brief synopsis of video 6: This was a mini-disaster in some ways. The K9 sergeant had been pressuring and pushing us for more progress. I should have stayed with my program, and kept Marco on the table to build better habits, until I knew he was ready to move forward. Instead, I foolishly "split" sessions too soon, and allowed situations which Marco controlled better than I could. This is a classic example of trying to move along too fast. Marco was not yet ready for bites off the table, and both the officer and I were influenced (forced) by a superior officer who had no understanding of how much progress we were really making. This mistake set us back considerably.|
The internet "dog community" is drowning in lies and exaggerations: dogs being hung, strangled, passing out, urinating, defecating, etc. It's all just internet babbling - and you're welcome to believe all of it if you want to. You're not thinking for yourself.
One thing is possible: there could be morons doing insane things. But it doesn't require a table to do insane things. Personally, I've never seen or heard of an actual TABLE trainer to substantiate the lies.
Internet messages about, "I heard that ...." and, "Somebody told me ...." don't prove a thing to me. If there are lunatic "trainers" out there, they never learned how to use tables, and absolutely, positively never learned any insanity from Gene England, or any of Gene's colleagues.
|TABLE USAGE: the long table is used ONLY for OBEDIENCE exercises. It is not, and was never designed to be, used for bitework. At my facilities, bitework was done exclusively on the round table, and advanced agitation work (usually no bites) was done exclusively on the square table.|
Dogs can't go off the square or round tables. That's a physical and mechanical impossibility. Maybe a hind foot, but the DOG is on the table, and he's not going anywhere. Unquestionable proof of that statement can be found all over this website, in photos and videos. Your eyes don't lie, even if millions of internet messages do.
Dogs can - and sometimes do - go off the long table occasionally. They CAN'T hang - unless you're thinking of a miniature poodle or a cocker spaniel. But I'm talking about grown Shepherds, Malinois, Reisenschnauzers, Bouviers - large, working breed dogs. The long table was never used with small or short dogs. The long table was never used with puppies, either. In the same manner of thinking, the small, short breeds never were trained to go over 42" high jumps or 7' scaling walls.
Some things can be done with tables. Some things can't be done.
The dogs that train on the long table are tall enough to simply stand on their hind feet, with their front paws on the tabletop - it's only 36" high. (Also, as shown above, there's lower bracing around the entire table at 18" high.) There's no possibility of strangling, hanging, unconscious, or anything else. Has your dog ever put his paws on your shoulders or your chest? That's a lot higher than 36"!
WHY do dogs go off the long table? After 11 solid years of using them, on over 1,000 dogs (under contract) plus several thousand other dogs, the answer is both honest and simple: 99.5% of the time, the dogs choose to jump off the long table. They don't like that environment at first, and choose an option that doesn't benefit them at all. They simply made a mistake - big deal - they jump off the table to get back on the floor. This is a normal and expected part of stabilizing a dog to the long table. Some dogs don't learn after one experience - so they try jumping off the other side of the table - maybe that will work better? And the situation is still exactly the same - he's being forced to stand on his hind feet. BIG DEAL. When he's thought through his options, he quickly wants to get back UP on the table. Usually, he's assisted. Often, he'll attempt to jump up, and he needs some assistance. That's all perfectly normal and expected, too. Very often, he needs no assistance at all.
The other .5% of the time, the dog is pushed off the long table. Just the THOUGHT of this act gives people anxiety attacks - but nothing ever happens to the dogs - it's the humans that overreact. Pushing a dog off the long table is THE most severe correction in table training, and usually happens no more than once or twice during a dog's entire training life. (By this I mean training - frequently years worth.) Yet nothing happens to the dog - he's uncomfortable for a few seconds, limited to standing on his hind feet - then he's back on the table again.
In 11 continuous years of using the long table, I recall ONE dog, a 2 year old Rottweiler bitch (video above - #4), that jumped off the long table more than twice. This dog - a brainless, stubborn bitch - went off THREE times. And I recall several hundred that didn't jump off the table at all.
Could I write a 3,000 page article on using just one of the tables correctly? Yes, I could. I definitely have the background, the knowledge, and the experience. But I won't.
INTERNET TRAINING DOESN'T WORK
PHONE TRAINING DOESN'T WORK
And here's proof of my statement.
In December, 2009, I was contacted by a dog "handler" (if you want to stretch the word that far) in North Carolina. His name is Shane. He's in the Air Force, but leaving with disability in January, 2010. He plans to open a dog training school at that time.
He had built a square table. He wanted to learn table training. He wanted to train his dog in protection work. Daily - (often several times per day) - I spent untold hours on the phone with him, reviewing the videos. His (no prior experience) "helper" is also his roommate. I talked with him for hours, too.
This went on for about two weeks - and they ignored nearly everything I told them. However, they did buy an intermediate sleeve at my suggestion. Prior to that, all they had was a trial (bitebar) sleeve.
If I said, "don't do this, you're moving too fast", sure enough - they did it. If I suggested giving the dog a day off - a rest - they ignored me. About 12 videos were uploaded to YouTube, illustrating "progress", but I think they've been removed.
These "trainers" were determined to do everything their own way .... I guess the real reason he called me was so he could get some free training from somebody that constantly used tables for 11 years - not 11 hours - with over a thousand dogs - not one dog.
Although (with the videos) he was SHOWN and TOLD REPEATEDLY, he failed to recognize that his actions and the (no experience) "helper's" actions were creating a frantic, hectic dog, being pushed much too fast without regard to important details. Regardless of how many times I repeated myself, I was ignored.
Here's a video he sent me, PROVING how "tough" his dog is, and how phenomenal his "training methods" are. VIDEO1
"This is a video of one of our dogs after just 2 weeks of protection training in our unique program"(I highlighted the text)
Frankly, I think the guy is nuts. Sensible trainers would never even attempt to put this much (misguided) pressure on a dog in 2 weeks. Sensible trainers would take some time to develop a strong foundation in the dog. But sensible trainers have sense ....
Careful review of these 3 videos will clearly indicate: vocalizing in the bite (a positive sign of insecurity), hackles up* (another definite sign of insecurity), some mouthing, weakness in the grip, complete focus on the sleeve, not the "helper". There are several other repeated and rewarded problems.
I learned something from all this: NOT ME. Train a dog anyway you want, and leave me out of it.
Maybe someday I'll "Forget All I Know About Protection Training" .... (video2 - their words, not mine) and learn the real secrets from these super-trainers in North Carolina.
*particularly in the first 6 or 7 videos (which I didn't bother saving), the dog's hackles were standing straight up throughout the entire video
I had to make a deeper investment to learn tables than reading some crap on the internet, watching a few videos, and arguing with fools who haven't even seen tables. I made a commitment. If I had to approach this seriously, then so do you. If you want table knowledge instantly, just get on the internet, and start swallowing.
Voodoo Louie Castle is the world's "New Table Guru" - read his babbling accusations and insane lies, and be grateful - it's free - but it's all bullshit. Or visit LEERKOPF's "real pro" kindergarten message board. They know all about tables there, too. Keep on swallowing. Maybe you're another internet message writer who actually believes you can learn complex dog training with a computer.
For all the people who have called me and sent me mail about tables - the answer is NO. I'm not sending copies of table videos and writing 250,000 messages to explain. If you're serious, you'll get up and do something about it.
Gene England is a phone call away, and if he can't work with you, he'll recommend somebody who can.
If you have to travel, stay in motels, spend money out of town - then you're no different than the rest of us. We had to do it - you're not exempt.
If I've been too polite on this page, I haven't clearly gotten my meaning across.
I LEARNED TABLES BACK IN 1991. IF THERE'S A "TABLE GENIUS", THEN HE'S GENE ENGLAND.
I KNOW TABLES, WHAT TO DO, WHEN TO DO IT, HOW TO USE THEM, WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T DO WITH THEM.
IF YOU DON'T KNOW THESE THINGS, IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM, IT'S YOURS.
GO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEM, OR SCREW AROUND ON THE INTERNET.
WRITE A FEW THOUSAND MESSAGES - THEN LOOK BACK.
YOU'RE STILL IN THE SAME PLACE - NOTHING'S CHANGED.
YOU'LL NEVER LEARN TABLES ON THE INTERNET.
INTERNET TRAINING DOESN'T WORK
PHONE TRAINING DOESN'T WORK
IF YOU EVER DO LEARN TABLE TRAINING, GOOD FOR YOU - THAT'S A HELL OF A SERIOUS ACCOMPLISHMENT.
IT TOOK COMMITMENT, AN OPEN MIND, AND THAT'S SOMETHING TO REALLY BE PROUD OF.