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The WFFCW was created August 5, 2001 :: we're 17 YEARS OLD!
WHAT IS THIS WEBSITE ABOUT? Some of this is a personal website containing REBUTTAL, REPLY, and COMMENT to (primarily) public statements and accusations made by various self proclaimed "internet dog training experts". The majority of the statements and accusations are FALSE, and refer to me, personally. The nucleus of this website is based on verbatim quotes of public messages, most of which are archived with their respective lists. Unless noted, nothing has been altered, other than formatting line length to screen width and changing the font style. Other parts of this site contain OPINIONS, HUMOR, PARODY, COMEDY, and SARCASM which reflect my own personal sense of humor and viewpoints. The First Amendment of the Constitution adequately, particularly, and specifically provides these rights. This site is for educational and entertainment purposes. This is emphatically not a "hate" site. There is no hate, and never was. Profanity is kept to a minimum, but it does exist. If this website seems offensive to you, in any way, please leave now. Please do not subject yourself to being offended.
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Voodoo Louie - "Working Malinois"
Recently, Louie started whining that the messages on this page aren't complete, or valid, or genuine. These messages, with complete header information, routing info, etc., are in a small zipfile - original_msgs.zip.
December 17 Update:
Like a broken record, Louie just goes on and on, whining about the same things. He's busily typing away on the "Working Malinois" list, still demanding my resume, still complaining that my website has pianos and organs on it, and still trying to discredit me in public. Voodoo Louie really believes that he's the investigator and I'm the subject of his investigation. Wouldn't you think he'd try something different? A new approach? Not Voodoo Louie! He's going to badmouth and antagonize me on the public lists anyway he can, even if he dies trying.
Do you think Louie ever asks himself "what's the point in all this?".
Voodoo Louie's text is RED
Steve Leigh's text is BLUE
Voodoo explains my MO:
Working Malinois Network
Re: Steve Leigh
Posted By: Steve Leigh <steve at sl-prokeys dot com>
Date: Monday, 17 December 2001, at 8:53 a.m.
In Response To: Steve Leigh (Lou Castle)
Here’s your MO Steve. If someone disagrees with you on a list you send them two private emails that are polite and well reasoned. If they persist in daring to disagree with you, you start name calling, profanity and general rudeness. Then when they respond in kind, you fall back screaming “FOUL.” That’s what you did with me a quite a few others. The posts on your website conveniently leave off several of your posts where you started the name calling and I responded politely, asking you to please stop. You refused so you got back what you were giving out.
The posts on my (actually YOUR) website clearly show the dates, the times, and the issues. Anyone who reads them can easily see I asked you dozens of times to keep the aggression private, but you refused. The moderator of the list asked the same - you refused. Exactly as you are publicly posting *this* message to *this* list.
It's pretty obvious there was no need at all to write this message to this group, it has zero to do with anything even remotely dog related, but as usual, you're out to make more fighting and arguing.
Regarding my own school and qualifications, there is no need to post my resume. If it were required, it would be a condition for ALL people using this message group.
Personally, I would prefer to read messages that do not point fingers at others, and learn something new or different about working dogs. If you want to continue to write this kind of babbling message about me personally, just do it privately, and give the lists a break. Or use the message forum located at your webpage, and voice your opinions there. That's what that page is for.
The Voodoo Slam:
Date Mon, 17 Dec 2001 110918 -0500
To steve at sl-prokeys dot com
Subject [Working Malinois Network] Re Steve Leigh
The following new message
has been posted on Working Malinois Network at
(#21860) Re Steve Leigh
(#21854) Re Steve Leigh
Steve wrote: Personally, I would prefer to read messages that do not point fingers at others, and learn something new or different about working dogs. If you want to continue to write this kind of babbling message about me personally, just do it privately, and give the lists a break. Or use the message forum located at your webpage, and voice your opinions there. That's what that page is for.
LC: Of course you'd not like to read the truth about yourself here, where others can see it Steve. Of course you'd like to continue to send me vile, rude, profanity filled private emails. But I'll never unblock you. Anything you have to say, any debate that you want on any dog training topic can be done right here.
Notice that where the truth is revealed regarding who you've trained or what you've done in the dog trainig world, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, you don't answer a single question. That speaks volumes about you.
Lou Castle, Los Angeles, CA
"You started it!" whines Voodoo Louie:
Working Malinois Network
Re: Fred Hassen
Posted By: Lou Castle <Uncllou@aol.com>
Date: Monday, 17 December 2001, at 10:09 p.m.
In Response To: Re: Fred Hassen (Steve Leigh)
Steve Leigh wrote: What has all this garbage got to do with dogs or training? All this drivel is only directed at DISCREDITING and BADMOUTHING.
LC: Yep and you started it.
Steve Leigh wrote: You just keep asking the same questions about resumes, background, references, qualifications, training, over and over and over and over and then over some more.
LC: Steve you started this credentials questioning. You ask all sorts of questions, make all sorts of allegations but then when they are proven to be BS, you refuse to answer the same sorts of questions that you ask. We know why. If you have no references how can you supply any?
Steve Leigh wrote: Can't you figure out YET that nobody is going to answer you?
LC: Yep sure can. I’m pretty much only asking YOU. And you keep NOT answering, There’s a reason. You have no references. You’re not a dog trainer. You’re just an Internet troll.
Steve Leigh wrote: You do this on every list.
LC: Yep, every time you bring up your BS I respond. It’s real simple, Of you don’t want to hear me asking for your qualifications, don’t ask for mine. One difference, I’ve supplied them each time they’ve been asked for and you’ve NEVER done so. Each time you refuse to answer what should be very simple questions for anyone who’s been training dogs for 21 years, as you claim. But you don’t answer. What do you think that says about you?
Steve Leigh wrote: Who appointed YOU to do the questioning?
LC: You did Steve when you asked me and I responded. That gave me the right to ask for you qualifications. You haven’t supplied them because they apparently don’t exist.
Steve Leigh wrote: How do you go about verifying claims on the internet in a message? And what happens once the claims ARE verified? Do I get a new car or a bonus prize or something? What if I supplied references in Holland and Germany? Do you bill the calls to my home number, or do YOU pay for them?
LC: The same way that anyone verifies claims made in a job application. Phone calls, letters, etc. How hard is that to figure out? I’ve supplied the phone number to my department and I’ve suggested that people call and judge for themselves which one of us is telling the truth. You’ve not supplied any names or any contact information. Right now I’m in Las Vegas training with two of the top PSD dog trainers in the country, Donn Yarnall and Wendell Nope. That says something I think. Donn is a regular contributor to this list and he’ll be happy to answer any questions that anyone has about me or my qualifications as a dog trainer. I’ll be happy to supply Wendell’s address as well to anyone who wants it.
LC: Sorry there’s no new car. The only thing that happens is that you will have some credibility, which you certain don’t have now. Don’t worry about paying for any phone calls overseas Steve, I’ll take care of them. Just supply the info and stop avoiding the questions.
Steve Leigh wrote: Over and over and over and over again, you keep complaining that my website has pianos. What should I do? Add guitars? Take away the pianos? Just give me a detailed list of EXACTLY what you want my website to contain, and maybe I'll get right to it.
LC: Steve it’s not my job to tell you what to put on your website. But I’d expect that if you’d been supporting yourself training dogs for 21 years as you keep telling us, that there’d be at least a couple of words about it. But all we see is pianos and organs.
Steve Leigh wrote: Or better yet, why don't you just do the list readers a big favor? Take up your problems privately, and leave the people on the list out of your habitual badmouthing.
LC: ROFL. Steve you started this with your BS allegations and your website and your refusal to answer simple questions about your qualifications. But now that I’m in your face you fall on your back and scream like a bitch. You can sure dish it out, but taking it isn’t in your resume, is it?
Steve Leigh wrote: But please man - leave some room on THIS list for people to talk about dogs and training. I would really appreciate the gesture, and I think a LOT of others would too.
LC: Steve here’s how this works. You take the first shot and then I reply. Then you take another shot and I reply. If you want it to stop, Don’t reply to this message, unless of course you want to supply some references. Anyone who doesn’t want to read these messages doesn’t have to and I’m sure that many people pass them by. There’s plenty of room left for talk about dog training.
Steve Leigh wrote: I have no intention of supplying *ANY* proof, *ANY* references, or *ANYTHING* to you, Louie.
LC: Do you think that we’re surprised at this response to very simple questions?
Lou Castle, Los Angeles,
December 30 Update:
I found this on the "Working Malinois" board. Louie's still whining and crying about the same old shit. He's claiming this website contains lies and BS ..... and conveniently fails to admit the fact that the entire Voodoo section contains about 98% his own messages. The only things changed are the font type and the screen width! Plus a few of my comments .......
Below, someone named "Juan Castillo" had the nerve to ask a question publicly. Voodoo Louie goes insane.
Voodoo Buffs 'n Puffs Up for Juan:
Juan Castillo wrote: So does this mean that you actually do train real police dogs that work on the street for real police departments? It has been alleged that this is NOT the case, and I was curious.
LC: Juan there’s one idiot running around telling people a lot of BS. He’s even got a website devoted to me and two well respected K9 trainers telling lots of lies about us all.
Damn right! It's a website full of Voodoo Louie's own messages. If it's "lies and bullshit", then it's lies and bullshit written by Louie and the "two well respected K9 trainers" he's referring to. I'm just REBUTTING and COMMENTING on all the lies and BS. Maybe they oughta stop writing these lies and bullshit, so I'll have nothing to rebut.
The truth is that I was a K-9 handler for my department and then it’s K-9 Trainer until I was sidelined by injuries about two years ago. Then for the first time in the Department’s history they hired an outside vendor to do the maintenance training.
The TRUTH is - this is another Voodoo Louie lie.
We’ve used outside vendors for most of the handler’s basic training and then I rode with them for several weeks teaching them how to do police K-9 work. I was also responsible for their maintenance training for the past 20 years or so. I suggest that anyone who doubts this makes a call to my Department and ask for verification from the K9 Lieutenant. (310) 837–1221. Don’t listen to the ravings of a lunatic without getting confirmation from the source.
Voodoo claims to be "The Department K9 Trainer" for 20 years (or so), then states, "We’ve used outside vendors for most of the handler’s basic training". That statement alone clearly shows he hasn't been "the trainer" for 20+ years. And that's because Culver City Police Department HAS no position of "Department K9 Trainer". "Outside vendors" (plural) have been doing the "basic" training, and Voodoo Louie claims he "rides along", and does "maintenance" training. This link will just add to the confusion of what Voodoo actually means by "training".
Voodoo Louie wouldn't dream of giving out the name of somebody that would tell the truth about him, so he offers the title of somebody who he knows will say what he wants - and evade what he doesn't want said. Read Louie's own words.
Actually, I'm having just a little problem here. Why call them "outside vendors"? Why not call them "outside TRAINERS", which is precisely what they are and do? "Vendors" sounds like companies selling office supplies, forms, cleaning supplies, toilet paper, etc.
According to Louie's own statement, his "training" and "teaching" takes place inside of a car, while he "rode with them". He claims he does this "for several weeks". If this shit is supposed to be working, it's failing.
I've heard of "in home training", and "in kennel training", but "in car, riding around training"? How do you "teach(ing) them how to do police K-9 work" inside a moving car?
I'd pay SERIOUS money, ANY DAY OF THE WEEK, for a demonstration of how to train
tracking, area and building search, bitework, outs, and call offs INSIDE OF A MOVING CAR
If Louie's inside of one car, with one cop and one dog, what about all the rest of the dogs and handlers? Do they all just go park someplace, like at Burger King, and wait their turn for Voodoo Louie's "Ride 'n Train"? Even with voodoo, it's pretty hard to ride around in 4 cars at once, isn't it?
Maybe I'm a lunatic, and maybe I'm raving .... EXCEPT - I've been to plenty of police dog training in my lifetime, in at least 6 states, and 3 different countries, and none of it was done inside of a car. We've done plenty of bitework inside cars, the dogs were sent through open windows - big freaking deal. Voodoo's jive seems to be just a pile of bullshit to me.
See how a little voodoo magic manipulates "basic" and "maintenance" around, right before your eyes? See how Louie's clever wording looks like one thing when it's actually something else entirely?
If you want to call somebody, call Culver City's civilian trainer, Rodney Spicer, at Gold Coast K9.
That's how you get some answers. Office (805)647-1799
LC: Last Thursday evening I went over to the Montebello Police Department for some K-9 training. Present were handlers from the Montebello Police Department, the Pasadena Police Department, the El Monte Police Department, and the Monterey Park Police Department. I gave a short talk on establishing the K-9 as the #2 in the relationship, the Guidance System and Ecollars in general. We then went out and did some field work. They bought me dinner even though I tried to buy for the decoy, as is traditional in this area, and they invited me back “anytime.” I guess they got something out of it. Again if you’d like confirmation feel free to call Montebello Police Department. Ask for Lt. Higashi, their K-9 Coordinator. (323) 887–1313. He’s off work for the holidays and not back until Thursday, Day Shift. Ahh the RHIP of a Lieutenant.
Wowee, look-a-here! They let Voodoo Louie hang around while some cops train some dogs, he babbles and yipyaps a little, and they tell him he can come back "anytime". Magically, that somehow makes Voodoo Louie a K9 TRAINER. They bought him dinner, and for Voodoo Louie Castle, that's his equivalent of four-figure day rate payment for this incredible "K9 training" that he "ran".
After Voodoo Louie tells this story 2 or 3 more times, it will mystically transform into another one of his legendary "seminars". Watch and see - he'll be claiming he trains the dogs for Montebello, Pasadena, Monterey Park, and El Monte police in no time.
LC: I can pretty much guarantee that the lunatic will anonymously post the link to his website soon after this appears. That’s been his M.O. so far. It’s fascinating to note that he’s steadfastly refused to mention anything about the dogs he’s claimed to have trained or what departments he’s worked for even though he claims to have supported himself by training dogs for the last 20+ years or so. Who’s lacking credibility? ROFL
Lou Castle, Los Angeles, CA
Screaming like a stuck pig, Voodoo whines, squeals, and complains about the World Famous Frawley Castle Website.
I don't "anonymously post" links to this site - I post links using my own name - STEVE LEIGH. I'm not embarrassed in the least by this site. I have no reason to be embarrassed OR post anonymously.
My "M.O." is really quite simple: the World Famous Frawley Castle Website was born, raised, and caused by ABUSE. Unlike some people, I take just so much abuse, then I do something about it. You're looking at it.
This website shows what Voodoo Louie Castle IS - using his own words and his own messages to do it. There's credibility!