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Greg Long
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is crazy!Ive tried not to post but......!

This is an INTERNET discussion board people.You all need thicker skins,including the mods.Passionate discussions get personal and sometimes there are comments that are perceived as personal attacks.GET OVER it!Dont tell me you cant learn anything even though there are a few nasty comments thrown in.If I hear "lets keep it civil" one more time Im gonna puke.


You can definitely grab a dog while backtied although it gets harder and more dangerous as the dog's skill level develops.I wouldnt reccomend it for most people though.

A dog that turns or looks away is showing signs of avoidence most of the time.Avoidence is flight,flight is natural.Its not a bad thing.It is something the dog has to work through.I personally wouldnt use a table but Id listen and learn if I saw someone training with it.

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David Frost
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg, I agree discussions can become passionate, that doesn't mean they can't remain professional. From my perspective, the only time moderators have interceded is when there is name calling etc. That does nothing to promote good discussion. Exercise all the passion you need to make your point, just don't make it personal. YOu are certainly right about one thing; we can all learn. I mean gee whiz just look at the thread and it's easy to see more than one alpha just doesn't do well in a pack.

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Jeff Oehlsen
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it has been fun. At least nobody is quitting. Although I hate when something gets all edited up. I never get to see it.

I have had 1 years experience more than thirty times easily. Of course, they tell me it is called dating. I never get that stuff right. Embarassed
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Greg Long
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

David,

I agree to a point.The way I look at it,if someone calls me names then its their problem not mine.It really doesnt bother me...I guess Im weird.It doesnt keep me from discussing or learning.
If I met with any one of you face to face,I would show you complete respect..well at first anyway.. Twisted Evil .

The fact is,on the internet anyone can say anything no matter how much or how little they know on the subject.I find this very amusing.I wonder what would happen if all of us were to go to the field and show our training and dogs?Chaos?Fights?I doubt it.I bet we would all be very respectful even if we thought each other was crazy.But this is cyberland and all bets are off.Lighten up...GEEZ. JMO.

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Gregg Tawney
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Dr. Phil.
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Greg Long
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Low blow! Mad

I hate Dr. Phil. Mad Confused
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David Frost
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg, I certainly agree with your assessment of internet discussions. I would like to add a couple of things. Personally, I don't much care what others say about my training methods. My evaluations come from the 40 plus handlers that I have to frequently face. That however is neither here nor there. It is mature of you to be able to shrug off name calling etc in a discussion. If you and I, for example, were the only posters then I say go for it. I can either stand my ground or chose not to participate. The goal of a forum such as this however, should be to encourage those that are less experienced to contribute, if nothing more than asking for clarification or experienced opinions. Or for the more experienced yet not as thick skinned, to offer thier opinions without being personally insulted. As for lightening up, I really am trying, but at my age losing weight just isn't as easy as it was when I was a young man in my 40's.

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Jeff Oehlsen
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:I really am trying, but at my age losing weight just isn't as easy as it was when I was a young man in my 40's.


I am in my 40's and can't loose it for nuthin. Laughing
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Andres Martin
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jeff, if you manage to overcome your dating problem, that'll help with the weight as well. Cheers. Laughing
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Jenni Williams
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hate editing. I miss everything. It makes the thread really difficult to go back to b/c the subsequent posts don't make sense anymore. Mad

I think we're having a Greg/Gregg problem. I didn't think Greg and David were disagreeing, and David took the "lighten up" personally, whereas I thought Greg meant it to everyone getting all riled up and name-calling, and the instantaneous editing...see how confusing this internet thing can get??? So, my point is....everyone needs to lighten up and who cares if there's some sarcasm in there??? I sure don't, and I've maintained my good attitude (if it was ever good Razz ) throughout much personal criticism...right Jeffy? Wink
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Andres Martin
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put one of the Greg(g)s on a table!!!

I'm trying to stick to the subject.
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Gregg Tawney
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But I might fall off!! Laughing

Trust me...this old dog still bites. Cool
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Jeff Oehlsen
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jenni, Jenni, who else would I turn to?
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Andres Martin
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah! Jeff and Jenni! Maybe this board can moonlight as a "personals". Laughing Laughing

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David Frost
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<< David took the "lighten up" personally,>>

Oh Ms Jenni, I can't think of anything anyone could say on this board that I would take personally. I took it to mean exactly as it was written, actually, I was "lightening up".

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Connie Sutherland
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andres Martin wrote:
Yeah! Jeff and Jenny! Maybe this board can moonlight as a "personals". Laughing Laughing


Why don't we have that ROTFLOL rolly face????? Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Lou Castle
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg Long wrote:
Passionate discussions get personal and sometimes there are comments that are perceived as personal attacks.GET OVER it!Dont tell me you cant learn anything even though there are a few nasty comments thrown in.If I hear "lets keep it civil" one more time Im gonna puke.


Get your bucket ready. There's a vast gulf between "passionate discussions" and name calling. Name calling soon is returned. That soon escalates and people shouldn't be subjected to it. Many people will drop off the board rather than read that. These day I try to conduct myself as if I was having a face-to-face conversation. In those, rarely does anyone engage in name calling. Sarcasm is clearly shown to be joking by body language and voice inflection, two things that are missing in this medium.

It's not that people can't learn anything if there are some nasty comments thrown in, it's that they shouldn't have to put up with it.
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Woody Taylor
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andres Martin wrote:
Yeah! Jeff and Jenni! Maybe this board can moonlight as a "personals". Laughing Laughing


100% humane and wise application of table training, IMHO.

We all done talking about table training? I think Greg was talking about avoidance stuff?
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Connie Sutherland
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lou Castle wrote:
Greg Long wrote:
Passionate discussions get personal and sometimes there are comments that are perceived as personal attacks.GET OVER it!Dont tell me you cant learn anything even though there are a few nasty comments thrown in.If I hear "lets keep it civil" one more time Im gonna puke.


Get your bucket ready. There's a vast gulf between "passionate discussions" and name calling. Name calling soon is returned. That soon escalates and people shouldn't be subjected to it. Many people will drop off the board rather than read that. These day I try to conduct myself as if I was having a face-to-face conversation. In those, rarely does anyone engage in name calling. Sarcasm is clearly shown to be joking by body language and voice inflection, two things that are missing in this medium.

It's not that people can't learn anything if there are some nasty comments thrown in, it's that they shouldn't have to put up with it.


Not just that, as valid as that is ----- it's also so distracting. Distracting, unpleasant, nonproductive, and, I gotta add, boring, after a very short while.
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Tim Martens
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lou Castle wrote:
These day I try to conduct myself as if I was having a face-to-face conversation.


me too. actually, i tone down my posts here. if i posted my "first draft", i would probably be banned from here.

one thing the moderators and others need to keep in mind is that people have differing vernaculars. when someone is smug, arrogant, close-minded, narcissistic, demeaning, and condescending somehow that is ok, but when i call that person an idiot somehow that crosses the line? that is ridiculous. we're all adults here and i'm sure hear worse things than that on the television shows you watch at night, but for some reason we have to be above all of that on an internet message board? lol...

lou you say you post as you would talk to someone? again, so do i. i have no problem calling a spade a spade. yes, this has gotten me in trouble my whole life (from grade school on up), but that's just me...
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