Main > Speaking of shit floating to the top- (90 replies)
by Bob McKown on 19 July 2012 - 03:02 | |
A breed warden to a orginization that won,t even take his money for membership ? Ya that doesnt throw up a red flag. I guess I like dogs well enough to look at them as a feeling animal and not just a way to make a living. I looked around on several websites for working dogs and havent found any posting eluding to looking for a home for a dog with issues? I know Helser surfs craigslist maybe you posted it there. Do you place many unwantted dogs with Helser or Maybe Lorenzo Williams? They do make strange bed fellows...or not. | |
by zdog on 19 July 2012 - 12:49 | |
I can't believe anybody would give a dog to this person, especially someone that should KNOW BETTER. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. You can defend your actions any way you'd like, in the end, you gave a dog that needed a real chance to a known piece of garbage that couldn't train the best of dogs to do mediocre. you really believe you gave that dog a chance?????? I expect better from people that portray themselves as you do. | |
by Bob McKown on 19 July 2012 - 13:27 | |
And I quote from Tims you tube site: " so as a last ditch effort to save this dog from being put to sleep Molly turned to Timothy Helser ! " Tim sure makes it sound like you sought him out? Aint that just so heart touching... Tim Saves the day for Molly. Again quoted from Tims you tube: "This Dog has never had bite training until this video was made , has never worked before other than pet obedience with Molly. " If I,m not mistaken did,nt you try to insinuate that you spent time working with this dog to over come the issue? I quote Molly: "As I said, you all don't know what I did with the dog. I had her for 6 months.I did work with her" It,s amazing the hipocrisy that this represents. | |
by Betty on 20 July 2012 - 05:28 | |
Molly, you are a National Level Competitor.......... What do you think he can do that you were unable to do in 6 months? And I'm pretty sure you've posted a time or two about your dogs being HOT and about the medals you have gotten from USCA. Your achievements should make you the best of the best that this country has to offer in training. You can shrug is off all you want but for so many people a rescue dog deserves the very best in vetting it's placement. Can you really say that this is the very best placement you could find for this girl? A placement with someone that has years of controvesy/allegations behind them from multiple sources? Regardless of how this placement works out you failed this girl Molly. If Amanda could talk I'm sure she would tell you that there are fates worse then a humane death when we place ANY dog, rescue or not, to the first person that will take them off our hands. You sound more concerned with the release of liability to you then you do with the future of this girl. Are you really that cavilier about it? It's like you're just shrugging and saying "Oh well, it is what it is..." Maybe you are a little overwhelmed with the amount of rescues and your own breeding programs. It might be time to take a step back and consider cutting back if you feel that this was the best you could do for this girl. | |
by Jenni78 on 20 July 2012 - 12:25 | |
Best
post yet on this thread, Betty. The release of liability, hence my
"Pontius Pilate" analogy is what really got to me. It's *almost*
believable that maybe Molly thinks Helser isn't as bad as some think,
but the nonchalance about what COULD happen/be happening to that poor
girl is quite disturbing and shows a desensitization that might benefit
from scaling back a bit (or a lot) until she realizes once again that
these are living, feeling beings who have mental/emotional needs as well
as physical. The "oh well...I tried" seems like puppy-miller thinking. I
don't know Molly and I don't know Tim. I guess I don't see how giving a
dog to Helser is "rescuing" though, as there are too many allegations
and some of them are pretty convincing. It's more like "out of the
frying pan, into the fire" than "rescuing and rehoming." I had a really good friend who always said Molly only pretended to care about dogs and though I never cared for her personally, I believed in her own way, she did have the dogs' best interests at heart, but her tactics were often misguided. Now, I think my old pal was probably right. How much can you care about a dog and send it somewhere with even the slightest HINT of mistreatment??? ![]() | |
by Betty on 20 July 2012 - 13:11 | |
Whenever
we place a dog or any animal we have one chance to do it right.
How well we do our job will make all the difference in the world
to that living, feeling creature. And as anyone knows that has placed animals, even when you take your time, and do it right, sometimes someone slips by you. And who pays the price for our screw up? I don't know TH. I have no idea what his characater is like, or if he is a victim of a mass conspiracy. But you know what, I don't have to know if he's scum or innocent, soley because you do not gamble with the life of an animal that you have been entrusted with. No gambles. If you want to rehab someone, invite them to our club, take them out to dinner, set them up with your of age sister. Hell, ask them to run to the store and give them your bank card and pin number. Don't gamble with the life of those that have no voice. | |
by zdog on 20 July 2012 - 13:50 | |
Some people can paint a very nice picture with words on the interent and plaster themselves all over the net. They come off as very righteous and very ethical. The perfect type of breeder one would be priviledged to work with. Then you get to see how things happen in real life and actions don't really match all those eloquent words they've spent the past few years typing all over the interent. | |
by Gustav on 20 July 2012 - 15:12 | |
The only thing I will say is that I thought it incredible that ANYBODY would let that child handle that dog with the issues involved AND the lack of familarity of the dog and child with each other. I dont care how dog savy that child is, if that dog attmped to bite her it could have gotten ugly before anyone could have intervened. I'll leave things at that.....the other characters in this soap opera I wont comment on. | |
by EuroShepherd on 20 July 2012 - 19:34 | |
![]() Gustav, absolutely right too. I'm pretty sure that little girl in the video is helser's own daughter. Years ago I witnessed helser have his son (then aged 9 or 10?) put on the hard sleeve and take bites from Taz. I was appalled at that too. Maybe helser wants people to think he's got some magical control over the dogs and they won't ever harm a child. I used to think Molly was alright, considering how nice her breeding program looked online. But back when Shelley was trying to escape her ex and Molly offered to "help" her friend, then essentially blackmailed Shelley and refused to give her dogs back without a chunk of money, I thought that was a horrible thing to do to Shelley and her dogs. Now this. I've recommended Molly's kennel to people before, I won't do it again. ![]() | |
by Dobermannman on 20 July 2012 - 22:26 | |
Is the "shit" in the title refering to Tim or Molly? Thomas Barriano | |
by kitkat3478 on 20 July 2012 - 23:58 | |
I believe she also gave Hesler the benefit of the doubt when Amanda was found in Heslers care with half her stomache hanging,ROTTED OUT. That there is reason all on it's own not to turn over a dog. (I am only on page 2) | |
by beetree on 20 July 2012 - 23:59 | |
Dobermannman, I think it is safe to say, "If the 'shit' fits, wear it."![]() kitkat, I've been waiting for you! I still can't get that image out of my head! No proof, is the cry, and that is unbelievable, because I'll never be able to erase that horror from my recall. | |
by Jenni78 on 21 July 2012 - 00:41 | |
Betty's point about the gamble is my exact feeling on it. I have turned people down for dogs because of things I'd heard/seen, and I may have been wrong or too hard on them, but you just can't take that chance. I felt badly for them in case I was wrong, but a dog who is totally reliant upon them for all aspects of their care is not what you experiment with to see if the rumors are true. To see someone just not care, and have this c'est la vie attitude about it is sickening. | |
by kitkat3478 on 21 July 2012 - 00:52 | |||
Just to refresh your memory on how well Tim Hesler was looked upon by everyone but..... for what was, or should I say wasn"t done, for Adre and Amanda http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/bulletins.read?mnr=330777&pagen=5
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by Dobermannman on 21 July 2012 - 02:35 | |
Steve Leigh had Molly "Grafts" number TEN years ago http://www.sl-prokeys.com/wffcw/mg_liar.htm Thomas Barriano Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) TT IPO I STP I | |
by kitkat3478 on 21 July 2012 - 03:06 | |
You got that right Thomas, maybe now others will see the forrest for the trees. | |
by Steve Leigh on 21 July 2012 - 04:31 | |
Molly is not honest. I'd like everyone to watch the video on her page (link is above and below) and SEE the hanging, strangling dog with his feet off the ground, passing out, unable to get back up on the table. http://www.sl-prokeys.com/wffcw/mg_liar.htm Nobody SANE would hang a dog. It just isn't done. After using the all the tables for many years, it is very offensive to be accused of any form of cruelty. Cruelty never was part of my life or my dog training life. Grasp this idea: if I DID the things that Molly lies about, I WOULD HAVE BEEN LOCKED UP FOR ANIMAL CRUELTY - I would be a CONVICTED FELON. The majority of my table videos are working WITH police officers, and the others, there were police officers THERE - waiting to work with their dogs. I don't think anyone needs to be a genius to believe that IF I was cruel and abusive, the police WOULD have locked me up - instantly. Please watch the video - and you'll see for yourself. PLEASE READ the text in the box with the video link. Even if you don't read the page, PLEASE read that text .... I really appreciate it. Steve | |
by maywood on 21 July 2012 - 16:48 | |
So
let me get this straight, you are calling Molly a liar because
she chose not to email you a video she claimed she had that
showed a dog dangling off the ground being strangled by you and Gene
England. Is this correct? Sorry, but if the video on your website did anything for me, it made me think maybe Molly might be correct in her assessment of your training methods and the possibility of an abusive video may indeed exist. What I see in the video is a bunch of bullies forcefully getting a dog to obey as if he was some kind of slave and you guys were all powerful masters. And then when he does obey you give him praise as if that is what the dog is wanting. This dog is only reacting out of fear and based on this video it wouldn’t surprise me at all you guys have done much worse to animals when the cameras weren’t rolling. I see no respect for animals at all on the part of either one of you in the video. Now, I don’t necessarily agree with Molly considering euthanizing a perfectly fine GSD, but if you think this video is going to sway public opinion against her, I think you are grossly mistaken. Sorry DobermanMan, wrong link to use if you were trying to make some kind of point here. | |
by Dobermannman on 21 July 2012 - 22:21 | |
Maywood, The video NEVER existed. At least nothing showing what Molly claimed. That's why she COULDN'T not wouldn't or choose not to, COULDN'T produce it. Gene England is one of the best trainers around and has the record to prove it. There was nothing abusive in the video that Steve showed. If you thinlk there is? Then I think you need to go cut up some hot dogs and "charge" your clicker. I think I hear your phone ringing......probably Phyllis Newkirk? Thomas Barriano Oh yeah Molly still gave an aggressive dog to Tim, who will use it to advertise his scam business IF it doesn't eat one of his kids first :-( | |
by Steve Leigh on 21 July 2012 - 23:24 | |
Maywood wrote: "What I see in the video is a bunch of bullies forcefully getting a dog to obey as if he was some kind of slave and you guys were all powerful masters."
That's correct. The dog had a job - he was a working police K9.
However, the dog CHOSE not to obey, after repeated commands, and attempts at being physically pushed into a down.
I have a special wish for you, Maywood. I hope you REALLY need the police one day.
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