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Accusations of dog abuse is pretty serious
I agree that accusations of abuse of a dog is very serious.
With that in mind, unless of course he returns with more lies and nonsense or someone else quotes him, this will be my last word on the cyberstalker Steve Leigh.
That'll never happen. Louie's always got "more words".
Almost all of them are lies.
One of the many reasons that he's been thrown off so many dog training boards is that he used and still advocates the use of a training tool known as a "training table."
reason I've been removed from boards has
nothing to do with dogs, tables, training,
or anything associated with them. The
reason is very clear:
I made captures of
messages, and copied them into my own website
WITHOUT ASKING ANYONE'S
If Louie can prove differently, let
him prove it. I CAN and DO prove it,
with messages from list administrators.
Like any tool this device has its proper uses and is subject to abuse. When this tool is abused and
there's evidence to believe that Steve did so,
"evidence"? There is no evidence to
believe that I abused anything.
Surely, somebody would have reported me
to the police if Voodoo Louie's insane lies were true. I used tables for 11 continuous years. In
past, 8-10 police K9 officers regularly trained here - day after day, week after week. There is no doubt I would have been
locked up if Voodoo Louie's lies were
unideniable VIDEO evidence to prove
facts. Maybe Louie can provide his
"evidence" someday. It's only been
5.5 years, and Louie provides nothing but insane messages.
it's one of the most horrid forms to torture of animals that exist.
Messages from Louie are just messages, filled with
insane lies and
I've never met Steve, never seen him train and have never seen any dogs that he's trained.
Then how could Louie possibly describe WHAT or
HOW I trained? Did he
have "spy satellites" focused on my training
KNOW ALL ABOUT
SOMETHING HE'S NEVER SEEN?
IN A PLACE HE'S
BEEN? BY A PERSON HE'S NEVER MET?
I've asked for years for him to back up his claims that he's trained dogs, but as you can see, he pretends those requests for information don't exist.
regarding dog training are visible
to anyone who visits the WFFCW. I've
applied for a job with Voodoo Louie, I never will, and have
no need to supply him with
blood or urine samples, fingerprints, credit
history, qualifications, social
security number, DNA samples, applications, or any
information. Louie will not interrogate me until he acquires
the authority to do so. Voodoo Louie will
acquire that authority.
Some dogs simply do not have it in their temperament to bite a human being. Yet many owners of those dogs want that kind of training. (This is not meant to invite discussion regarding that mentality, if you wish to do so please start a new thread).
Those who engage in table training and have no regard for animals use that tool in this fashion. They place the dog on the table and attach a chain that connects the pole rising out of the center of the table to the
dog's choke chain.
As the many photos and
videos on my website show, the dogs wear heavy
LEATHER buckle collars,
choke chains for bitework. Many photos show the collar just stays
with the table, and is always there for anyone
to use. (see not
only Voodoo Louie's pages, but also view photos
in Ed Frawley's section - "Vivid Photographic
Proof". Search around and you'll find
plenty more photos.)
They approach wearing protective gear in a manner known as "agitation" whereby they use threatening body language to place stress on the dog which can be relieved by biting.
Now here come the
fabrications, and proof that Voodoo Louie has no
concept - none - of what REALLY
happens on the table.
If the dog won't bite they
shove him off the table.
No, Voodoo Louie. A dog cannot
be shoved off the table. As long as
he's tied to the spinner, it's a physical and mechanical impossibility.
If he's not tied to the spinner, then all
your "strangling" and "hanging" stupidity go out
This table has been constructed so that the
dog's rear legs can just barely touch the ground.
These pictures don't agree with Voodoo Louie's
The table is exactly 19.5" tall,
slightly lower than knee height. (This is
visible in all videos and photos.)
Your eyes do not lie - the
videos show this
clearly. I'd suggest watching all
videos - see for yourself how ALL dogs were
treated around here. Voodoo Louie doesn't have the nerves of
steel to watch these videos, but you do.
just for fun and games, I trained my former
attorney's dog - a 4 year old black
female, approximately 10-11 pounds, named Pluto,
on the round table. She was a
miniature poodle. The dog was
approximately 10" tall. She had no problem
at all going to the table, and getting her front paws on it,
so we put a cardboard box there to help her
jump up. After a few jumps with the
box, she didn't need it anymore. She'd constantly hop on the
table, barking for
me to come and get started.
This is fact. He'd also seen about 100
large, working dogs trained on the tables
here, including Tampa's Police K9 unit, and he's
quite positive about what he saw with his
own eyes, on dozens of occasions.
Probably some of you have seen the photos on Steve's site.
Just look above. The photos
prove without a doubt that Voodoo Louie is
The dog is left hanging by his choke collar
are no photos of
a "dog (is) left hanging by his choke collar". Except for rare occurrences,
(with my own dogs), a
wide, LEATHER AGITATION COLLAR was always used for bitework. Pictures and videos clearly show this.
Occasionally, with my own dogs, the snap was
connected to a link of a fur saver
collar: no choking possible. With my 10-12 week
old puppies (on the table) a nylon buckle
puppy collar was used. Photos and videos don't lie.
which tightens around his throat and he can't get back on the table.
right back up if their hind legs slip off. The pictures and videos
Video 3 shows a 7 month old Mal (5x on
table, never had a sleeve bite) step off the
Video 10 shows a 4 month old GSD
(2x on table) go
off the table - twice.
Watch them and SEE.
How did he
GET there? Was he shoved off? By whom? Did he
slip off? How long did it take for him to get
back on the table all by himself? How much "strangling" do
In 10, the dog's owner was Air Force Military Police.
Personally, I know that if I harmed his
dog in any way, he'd have broken my jaw - and
then called the local police.
When you watch
video 10, consider that fact that the puppy is four
MONTHS old. This video shows his
time on the table. He'd previously had an
estimated grand total of ~15 minutes on
the table. Like all dogs,
he learned very quickly the size of the
tabletop, and rarely, if ever, slipped off the
tabletop again. Also consider the
difference between a four month old puppy's
coordination, and that of an adult dog.
With an adult, the dog's paw slips off and is back on
the table faster than the video can catch it -
video 3 is a good example.
He's strangling. Slowly dying.
This is another
insane Voodoo Louie lie. Another lie which ANYONE can
see with their own eyes - click on the pictures.
This is allowed to continue until, at the last minute,
just before the dog passes out, he's lifted back on the table and allowed to recover.
Voodoo Louie invents
these insane lies and expects
anyone to believe him without any proof at
Then the agitator comes in again. If the dog won't bite or doesn't bite hard enough,
the dog is shoved off the table again.
Again, he's strangled until he nearly passes out from lack of air. Again, he's lifted back on the table.
The problem with Voodoo
Louie's lies is simply that he can't prove
one word of what he's lying about. But I can prove
almost EVERYTHING he writes are lies - and it's not
limited to tables. That's why the WFFCW
is world famous.
That's why Louis Castle is known worldwide
as "Voodoo Louie".
This is repeated until the dog realizes that unless and until he bites the agitator very hard,
he's going to be strangled until he's nearly dead.
Voodoo Louie has clearly
illustrated that he doesn't have the slightest
idea about tables. He doesn't know how high the table is,
has no clue about the dimensions, the height and
purpose of the spinner, doesn't even know what kind of collar is used for bitework, and
doesn't understand the reasoning behind the length of the chain
- the chain that makes
it physically impossible for a dog to
"strangle" or be "shoved off
the table". Voodoo Louie's "table expertise" is
entirely based on "a friend told me".
Louie has never seen tables.
But his endless
lies aren't really about tables
- they're directed at me, and the imaginary
"torture" that "a friend told him about."
You might notice that Voodoo Louie never has
anything to say about tables, unless it's an
opportunity to make his false, insane
accusations regarding me.
This is what I believe was part of Steve's regimen of dog training
Voodoo Louie can "believe"
that he's Jesus Christ. That doesn't make it
Voodoo Louie HAS no facts - only lying, worthless messages.
I could type 80,000 messages accusing
Louie of FRYING dogs until they're nearly DEAD with his shock collar - but
have no proof. I don't even know if Louie
HAS a shock collar. For all I know, he doesn't
even own one. He's probably never
a dog in his entire life!
and if he was still training today,
he'd be doing it regularly.
This is another
insane Voodoo Louie lie. Louie has no PROOF, because none exists.
It's almost universal that table trainers build their tables indoors, where a casual passer-by can't observe their training.
moronic statement is just another of his
ASSUMPTIONS. Having never even seen
tables, (a statement made by Voodoo Louie),
Louie has no idea of
what's involved in moving them from place
LOVE to see him try
to move them!
I'd pay $200.00 just to watch him try to move
the top of the round table. When it fell
on top of his dumb ass, he could be
I'd highly recommend he call
911 first, and tell them to send the
ambulance - and a psychiatrist, too. (Also, I'd like to know where
he'd PUT them when they weren't out on
the training field, being destroyed by rain?
See this to get an
idea of the SIZE of the tables. One person
cannot move these tables around by himself -
they're just too large, bulky, and heavy.)
* square table weight:
approximately 175 pounds (plus approximately 30+ sleeves
on its shelf)
* round table weight:
approximately 275-300 pounds
* long table weight:
approximately 250 pounds
Point 1: My home/training
facilities are located in a neighborhood in
the county, not in the city, where each piece of
land is 1 or more acres. There are no
"casual passer-bys" around here. For reasons
unknown to me, people don't wander around the
streets aimlessly in this neighborhood. I
guess all the "casual passer-by" street wanderers from the Tampa
area moved to Louie's neighborhood, so they
could "casually observe" Louie's
(if it exists) as they
wander all around his house.
Point 2: My training
field, office, and training room are located
behind my home, on the largest part of my
property. I would estimate that my front
yard and house utilize 25% of the 1 acre, and
the remaining 75% was used as our training
I suppose I could have
house, removed all the trees and shrubs, and lived in some cardboard boxes
out back, so
those non-existent "casual passer-bys" could see my
entire property, but I didn't feel the need. Or, I could have built
my house, office, and training room entirely out of
glass, but that didn't seem very logical to me.
During my 21 years in
business, neighbors and strangers by the
hundreds have come
to the gates, buzzed the intercom bell, and have been
invited right in - to visit, watch training, drink a
beer, or do some training with their own dogs.
And, many people driving by saw
our "Canine Training" sign out near the street,
and dropped in to talk about training.
Very often, these same people were still here 8
hours later, with mad dashes to the corner store
for more beer and snacks.
Point 3: Even if my tables
were left outdoors for 11 years,
the view into my back yard is rather limited,
due to my (non-glass) house blocking direct line of sight.
people suffer from this same
traumatic, upsetting situation - people wandering around
the neighborhood just can't see what's happening
in people's back yards. This may have even happened to
you once or twice. Do you wander
into people's back yards to see what they're
doing back there? If you DO, have
you ever had your ass kicked for it?
Point 4: It's amazing that Louie
claims to know "WHY" anyone would do anything.
Did he consult me prior to building my
training room? He leaps to his insane false conclusions, and
expects logical people to believe
BUT - suppose I
DID leave my tables out on the training
field? I could have had a really great time
with clients and friends trying to train in the
dark, or in 105 degree heat, quitting when
the rainstorms came, watching the tables being
wrecked by rain
.... and they'd be outdoors!
They wouldn't be "HIDDEN"!
That might make insane Voodoo Louie Castle happy!
But I couldn't care less if Voodoo
The scaling wall, 1 portable jump
and 1 permanent jump were left outdoors for 21
years. Nobody from the street could
see them, either, due to my house blocking the view.
A person would have to enter through my gates
to see what was being done on the
Presumably, in Voodoo Louie's insane mind, I "abused"
dogs on the scaling wall and jumps, too.
Maybe I should have
bulldozed the house, and done all my training in
the FRONT yard - so the non-existent
"casual passer-by street wanderers" could see
everything I did?
Sometimes, as in Steve's case, they build a special building around the table where none existed before. Sometimes they have a building and put the table inside of it.
How would Louie KNOW what
I did, or why I did
it? He's stated he's
never been here, never met me. Yet he claims to
KNOW all about me. Not only about me, but also
MY REASONS for things I've done! Is Louie, the Internet
Disease, a Voodoo Mind Reader Psychic, too? I built the
training room in 1991 - 10 years before I
ever heard of Voodoo Louie Castle! Hey
Voodoo! WHY did I paint the
training room grey and blue? Surely you
have an insane answer to THAT one, too.
Louie also claims I built
a "special building" around the table.
But the photographs on a
different page prove
this is ridiculous. The pictures don't
lie. Voodoo Louie can't stop lying.
When I've asked Steve the reason for this he's said that it's so that the wooden equipment (the table) is protected from the weather.
Louie is a liar. He's never ASKED me a thing - he's
publicly TOLD message forums about his insane, delusional
assumptions with no factual basis.
When someone emailed me the link, I
rebutted Louie's ridiculous accusations, and
captured the pages from Working Dog Forum. I was
promptly deleted from that message group. The rebuttal and "admin reason" is
(You guessed it - I captured a page WITHOUT
this for only one reason: to degrade and defame
me. Why? Because Voodoo Louie, the Internet
Disease, is a STAR on the WFFCW.
The Voodoo pages are famous around the globe,
just like his name: Voodoo Louie.
defamation has been failing for 5.5
years, while the WFFCW has been hit
millions of times.
Of course this is absurd, a coat of paint will give the protection that's needed.
One look at the pictures of
my round table(s) clearly show considerable
($450 worth of) steel
work, machining, fabricating, welding, roller bearings, and
(approximately $120 worth of) astroturf. Paint
is not used on these items. Paint was
always used on the wooden framework.
if Voodoo wants
to PAINT CARPETING, I think he should go right
ahead and do it - to his OWN carpeting.
He ain't painting MINE!
below to learn all about Voodoo Louie's version of
Consider the relative cost of painting a few square feet of wood to that erecting a building.
insane, idiotic opinions and assumptions don't
even enter the picture. Since Louie
didn't pay for the building, who cares
what he assumes? His
assumptions are worthless. When
Voodoo Louie PAYS, then he can
decide what gets painted, what gets left
outdoors, and he can make ALL the decisions. I built
a training room in 1991 (10 years
before the WFFCW existed) because I
wanted a training room. Incidentally, it
was used for many reasons in addition
to protection work: drug training with no
less than 100 dogs,
obedience, a workshop, and as a classroom, too, complete
with a blackboard.
Won't that building need protection from the weather as well?
All my buildings have a very
popular component. It's known as a "roof". Looking out the windows, I notice that
my neighbors also have a roof on their
buildings. That's astounding, isn't it?
Another response is it that will enable the equipment to be used during inclement weather. Steve lives in
Florida, where there's little "really" inclement weather.
now attempts to
explain the WEATHER in Tampa, FL?
Is there anything that insane Voodoo Louie isn't
an "expert" about?
Any research will prove that enormous
lightning and rainstorms occur here constantly. Tampa
Bay, and the entire west coast of Florida is
famous for this. Homeowner's insurance rates have
tripled in the last 5 years because
of weather damage.
Yes, hurricanes blow through but they're
rarely more than an inconvenience and probably his area
has not suffered any major damage for decades.
Voodoo "Weather Expert" Louie
is attempting to define "hurricanes in Florida"?
This really is insanity.
Hurricane Donna, Hurricane Andrew, Hurricane
Gordon, Hurricane Allison, Hurricane Erin,
Hurricane Opal, Hurricane Georges, Hurricane
Floyd, Hurricane Irene, and another Hurricane
Gordon - little, unimportant "inconveniences"?
This is only the beginning of the list.
Anyone ever heard of
Decades? Katrina happened in August, 2005. Millions of dollars worth of damage occurred in the Tampa
Bay area, with massive evacuations to
schools, churches, and other shelters.
Dead people are "rarely
more than an inconvenience"?
totally destroyed New Orleans the
following day. "Decades"? Voodoo Louie is
delusional AND insane. Every year - I've been in Florida since
1981 - there is tremendous flooding and
storm damage in the Tampa area. We've gone
without electricity and phones for 3-4 days at a
time. "Rarely more than an inconvenience"? Tell THAT
to the 2.6 MILLION RESIDENTS of the Tampa Bay
area, Voodoo. (population current as of
July 4, 2005)
Feel free to
exhibit your "expert knowledge" on the
in Florida, Voodoo - but do it with FACTS.
If you want FACTS,
this link - have a look at what the
Tampa, Florida area has survived through. These are FACTS
from NOAA, not ridiculous, insane lies and assumptions written
by moronic Voodoo Louie.
In any case, dogs trained to bite, whether for sport work such as SchH, for police work, or for the military work in all weather. Competitions that test those dogs are held in all weather. The police and military dogs go to work, no matter what the weather.
Fortunately for myself
and my clients, we had a well lit, indoor training room,
enabling us to not only train in a dry
environment, but as late into the night as we
desired. Obviously, Louie can't differentiate
between "training" and "working". ALL of my clients were happy that
I built the room. Most of them helped with
Voodoo Louie is - as
always - a delusional liar. I've heard of and
several trials and USPCA certification tests
that were cancelled due to rain and lightning. As a "Florida weather expert", Voodoo Louie is falling
flat on his insane face
And let's not forget that many clubs of many kinds have wooden agility obstacles that are left outside for years. This "protection from the weather" excuse is just so much nonsense.
The nonsense is
Louie's lies. The tables are not "agility
obstacles". Unlike "agility
obstacles", they have steel, roller bearings, astroturf. (stated above) Rust and destruction of the steel and astroturf
are why they need to be protected from water. Our jumps and scaling walls (exterior wood and
aluminum) stayed outside, on our training field,
for 21 years. They were designed
and built to remain outdoors, and were painted and repaired when
needed - usually annually.
The real reason that these tools are used indoors is to
prevent anyone from seeing the torture that the dogs are subjected to.
No, Voodoo. The
REAL REASON is much more logical - to sane
CONVENIENCE for the dogs, trainers, clients,
friends, and visitors.
CONVENIENCE for EVERYONE. A COMFORTABLE, DRY, WELL LIGHTED ENVIRONMENT
- for everyone. And, we weren't eaten up by mosquitoes,
That's not all .... a
refrigerator, plenty of lawn chairs, coffee
tables, air conditioner, bathroom, a large stereo system,
several video cameras (wall mounted and tripod),
video playback equipment, police
lights, enough room for at least 12 dog crates if
it was raining - ALL THAT and more, thanks to an
indoor training room!
Plus - wall
racks full of every kind of sleeve
imaginable, muzzles in every size and style, every type
and size collar you could dream
of, body suits, dozens of replacement cuffs - enough training equipment to
almost compete with
Ray Allen! All indoors - at our
My office was
"indoors", too - and we did plenty
of bitework in the office. Your insane
Voodoo mind probably assumes that an office
means there's something "hidden" in there, too.
It even has a bathroom - all those
non-existent people wandering the streets couldn't see inside the bathroom!
JUST THINK, Voodoo! Sofas, desk, computers,
chairs, phones - all those things in my office -
HIDDEN from the "casual
passer-by street wanderers" - that
didn't even exist!
Voodoo Louie is
assuming and fabricating insane lies again. No dogs were ever tortured
here. This was witnessed by countless police,
newspapers, magazine, and television news crews. Also
witnessed by the former Director of Animal Control (who
frequently came by to watch and even take some
Tampa's (former) Chief of Police, State Attorneys (and
Defenders (and families), DEA agents, U.S. Postal Service mail
carriers and supervisors, among thousands of
others. Nothing has ever been a secret
- visitors were ALWAYS welcome here. We
loved visitors - they frequently led to MORE
very easy to prevent anyone from seeing
the "torture" that insane Voodoo Louie invented
BECAUSE IT NEVER EXISTED
What is my evidence of accusing Steve of this form of abuse? Steve tells us that he learned table training from a very successful (many titles to his name) trainer that I won't drag into this.
Why not, Louie? You
"dragged" Gene's name into this in 2001. The
trainer is Gene England, who invented table
training. He's won everything
imaginable in the U.S. in the sport of Schutzhund,
as well as World competition.
thousands of sport
people and thousands of police officers with
their dogs. Gene is a LIVING LEGEND in the dog world -
unlike Voodoo Louie.
just a message
writer, not a dog trainer.
But that's really
some astounding "EVIDENCE", Louie! You
can really come up with "PROOF"!
Got any OTHER "proof"?
One moment before you
(can't) answer, Voodoo.
Suppose I learned to speak German from a person
with a heroin addiction. Does
that mean I'm a heroin addict? Or
that I could only speak German if I used heroin?
You are insane,
Voodoo. But you know that.
Your insanity didn't start yesterday.
Years back Steve told people on a forum (during one of his personal attacks on me) that I had accused this trainer of abusing dogs as I've described above.
And that is PRECISELY what Louie did in
2001, and repeated it
here. More is contained in
the zipfile for download. But Voodoo Louie's messages are
I'd never done so and Steve, with his vast collection of my emails and articles has never been able to back up that claim.
unquestionably "backed up that claim" in
numerous places, YEARS ago, on this website.
Check the above links.
I phoned that trainer who described Steve as "a bit of a nut" and "a different kind of person"
Anyone who cares to
contact Gene England in Scottsville, KY is
certainly welcome to do so. (just use Google for
"Gene England") Gene and I
started training dogs together in 1983,
when I was invited to his home to clean up my
dog's tracking problems. It should take
about 3 seconds to discover how truthful I
am - just ask. I spoke with Gene
the day after Louie called him, years ago - all he did was
laugh, and tell me if Louie has anything to say,
he can say it to his face. But
Louie won't ever confront Gene.
knows I'm a "different
kind of person". I tell the truth.
and told him that
I'd never said anything of the sort, that since I hadn't seen him train, that I couldn't and wouldn't make that accusation.
But you DID, Voodoo
- and the message captures are at at the above
links. Without any question, undeniable,
no way around it - they're YOUR WORDS,
AND - you have
never seen ME train, according to YOU,
Voodoo - but you've accused ME dozens of times
of "abuse". YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL
I did say that
people I know and trust have
told me that THEY HAVE seen him do this. (Strangle dogs on the training table).
People "told me"? We already
know you don't see anything for yourself
- your never ending song and dance has always
friend told me".
Elsewhere on this site is a
completely different version of Louie's
1-2 minute "phone conversation" with Gene,
written by Voodoo Louie. It's
doubtful Louie can tell the same story twice.
It's hard for Voodoo Louie to remember all his
He got very quiet and replied, (to the effect), "Well we've all done things in our past that we wouldn't do today."
don't believe ONE WORD of this
Voodoo Louie bullshit. I'm 99.9% positive
Gene never said anything like it.
Gene is known worldwide as a straight talking,
sincere man. His honesty and integrity are famous all
My 29+ years of law enforcement experience tells me that this is an
admission that he had, in fact, strangled dogs on the training table, that he now knew it was the wrong thing to do and that he wouldn't do it again.
Nobody cares what your insane lies "tell you".
You leap to false assumptions because YOU
want to - not because they're true. Louie's 29+ (claimed but unproven)
years in law enforcement mean nothing. Louie
invents his lies, then invents more insane lies to
embellish his assumptions. But Louie never
SEES or PROVES anything. He just writes messages.
Since Steve tells us that he emulates this man, at times engaging in near-hero worship of him,
it's reasonable to believe that he too, has repeatedly strangled dogs on the table.
That's really some
undeniable "EVIDENCE", Louie! It's "reasonable to believe",
because you said it's "reasonable"! You need to have me
prosecuted with this kind of
"reasonable, undeniable proof"!
But you should have
done that in 2001, Voodoo,
while I still
training business and used tables daily.
Try that insanity on a FL State
Attorney, and see how far it gets you. Maybe you'll get REAL lucky, and
contact one of the THREE FL State Attorneys who
trained their dogs with me - on the table. Wouldn't
THAT be a coincidence?
- not sometimes - used
MY dogs to demonstrate table training. If
anyone thinks I would have stood by and allowed
Gene to "strangle" MY dogs, they are
simply INSANE. NOBODY harms my
dogs - ever. I trust Gene implicitly,
Louie is again PUBLICLY accusing
both Gene England and
myself of strangling dogs on tables.
Louie denies ever making
these accusations. I have
his published public messages
from 2001, in which Louie makes these
same insane accusations, along with
"shocking testicles to train outs",
"hanging to unconsciousness", and other
sick acts of cruelty.
the accusations, then DENIES
I've asked Steve if he's ever strangled dogs on the table and his response has either been to ignore the question or to demand that I prove that he has if I'm going to make that accusation. But I'm an eternal optimist so it's worth a try again.
already (years ago) provided proof all over my
website that Louie is a liar. After you've
read a few Voodoo pages, it's obvious that
Voodoo Louie is just an insane, chronic,
pathological liar, and can't tell the same story
twice without lying at least once.
Steve, have you ever strangled a dog on the training table?
No, I never have. Have
That's a silly question - you train with shock collars, according to you. Have you
ever FRIED a dog's brains, until he was nearly
DEAD with your shock collar, Louie? How many
dogs did you KILL with your electric
shocks? It's reasonable to believe that
you have abused many, many dogs with electric
Have you ever SEEN table training - or did
a "friend" "tell you about it"? (Screen captures are right here on this website,
Louie, to refresh your defective memory.)
words, direct from the LEERKOPF™ forum, among
several others, to help
you out here, Louie. You wrote them, you
can accept responsibility for them.
For those that read and
look - one thing is obvious .......
Voodoo Louie Castle
Disease That Infected The Internet
This has to be a world record, even for Voodoo
Louie Castle. The number of LIES in just
ONE MESSAGE is staggering!