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WHAT IS THIS WEBSITE ABOUT?  Some of this is a personal website containing REBUTTAL, REPLY, and COMMENT to (primarily) public statements and accusations made by various self proclaimed "internet dog training experts".  The majority of the statements and accusations are FALSE, and refer to me, personally.  The nucleus of this website is based on verbatim quotes of public messages, most of which are archived with their respective lists.  Unless noted, nothing has been altered, other than formatting line length to screen width and changing the font style.  Other parts of this site contain OPINIONS, HUMOR, PARODY, COMEDY, and SARCASM which reflect my own personal sense of humor and viewpoints.  The First Amendment of the Constitution adequately, particularly, and specifically provides these rights.  This site is for educational and entertainment purposes.  This is emphatically not a "hate" site.  There is no hate, and never was.  Profanity is kept to a minimum, but it does exist.  If this website seems offensive to you, in any way, please leave now.  Please do not subject yourself to being offended.

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Steve's message to Voodoo Louie Castle

Voodoo Louie has no idea how stupid he really is .... This is a "collection" page with the best that Louie has to offer.  As you can see, it's a "work in progress", and will probably be updated.  Each quote below is a separate declaration by Louie, most of them come from separate messages.  Some messages were so good, I had to stop typing and laughing, so I could calm down and get back to it.

You gotta watch when Louie gets excited ....
That's when the THREE PUNCTUATION MARKS come out!!!


ARE YOU QUALIFIED???


"Why don't you tell us of your accomplishments???  I'm sure they're fantastic!!!  I'm sure that you've been around the world training dogs.  I'm sure that you've done hundreds of seminars.  I'm sure that your skills are in GREAT demand.  I'm sure that quite a few companies are after you for your endorsement.  I'm sure that you've made lots and lots of videos that sell in the six figures every year.  I'm sure that your day rate for training is in the four figures.  So tell us of YOUR accomplishments." 


"The difference is that you didn't answer a single one of my questions."


"But since you've chosen to conceal rather than tell us of your accomplishments or experience we can only guess that you have neither." 


"When someone is asked for references or experience and they refuse to provide them, instead they provide another evasive answer, we know what that means."


"How about this.  Tell us of some trainers that we can go to to ask about you???  Perhaps they'll tell us something good."


"Got any names to drop besides Thom Payne???  Got contact info for him???" 


"What a little punk you are.  In all that bullshit you still didn't answer even ONE of my questions.  That's because you can't.  You ain't shit.  You are just some little piece of slime that pretends to know about dog training and exposes his ignorance on an email sub list.  Too bad you're just a waste of skin." 


"Notice that where the truth is revealed regarding who you've trained or what you've done in the dog trainig world, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, you don't answer a single question. That speaks volumes about you."


"Of you don’t want to hear me asking for your qualifications, don’t ask for mine."


"They have no references or experience.  Guessing isn't necessary." 


"Beware the trainer who is insulted when you try and check his references or learn more about him."


"Fred rarely answers any questions directly."


"That gave me the right to ask for you qualifications."


"You’ve not supplied any names or any contact information."


"Steve you started this with your BS allegations and your website and your refusal to answer simple questions about your qualifications."


"But I’d expect that if you’d been supporting yourself training dogs for 21 years as you keep telling us, that there’d be at least a couple of words about it."


"Don’t reply to this message, unless of course you want to supply some references."


"You haven’t supplied them because they apparently don’t exist."


"Do you think that we’re surprised at this response to very simple questions?"


"Since you have contact information on Sgt. Payne, please supply it so we can go directly to him."


"Is there some reason that you continue to be so evasive and abusive???"


"But you don’t answer. What do you think that says about you?"


"Can you tell us the names of those handler and their dogs???  And the dates that you worked with them???"


"And since you see fit to question my credentials, perhaps you'd feel like discussing some of yours."


"You keep telling us that you've made a living training dogs for 20 years but there's no mention of your training field or any Departments that you've trained for.  Why is that???"


"It's obvious that you have a HUGE amount of knowledge about dogs from all that you've shared here on the list.  I seem to recall quite a bit about table training that you could have gotten from a book.  Where are your references???"


"Anyone who doubts my credentials is invited to call my department and speak to the K9 Lieutenant, Cerris Black.  Of course none of the people involved in this conversation, Noel, Fred or Steve had made, or will make that call. They'd rather talk to uninformed idiots who are jealous of my success."


"You're such a loser that it's not any fun playing with you in private mail any more.  It's just too easy.  I'll be happy to embarass you on the list any time you write crap though."


"Steve you started this credentials questioning."


"I’m pretty much only asking YOU. And you keep NOT answering, There’s a reason. You have no references. You’re not a dog trainer."


"Each time you refuse to answer what should be very simple questions for anyone who’s been training dogs for 21 years, as you claim."


"Over the 20+ year period that I was a handler and then trainer, CC had a maximum of 4 dogs at one time and when the Chief wasn't in the mood, as few as none."


"I've worked just about every assignment on a police department except for motors."


"I'm sure that since you're such an expert in these matters ...."


"That's the position faced by Donn, myself and many others.  Few, if any, of the people we've trained like us.  Few if any of them will say anything good about us."


"I wanted to see the lies that were being told about me to the remaining list members" 


"If I had ten times that amount they'd love me ten times as much."


"Would anyone with any common sense think it would be any other way???  Vendors love me when I have 5 or 10K to spend."


"It appears that you know as much about this situation as you know about Ecollars.  Not very much."


"And **I** have the attitude probelm.  And **I'M** being argumentative!!!  Am I missing something here???" 


"Pretty good magic wand huh???  I had them all fooled for about 20 years."


"Even when I was on crutches, recovering from surgery I was going out and running training."


"You can sure dish it out, but taking it isn’t in your resume, is it?"


"Someone is feeding you bullshit and you're swallowing it."


"We know why. If you have no references how can you supply any?"


"Yep and you started it."


"Do you think that we’re surprised at this response to very simple questions?"


"You’re not a dog trainer. You’re just an Internet troll."


"The same way that anyone verifies claims made in a job application."


"Just supply the info and stop avoiding the questions."


"It’s fascinating to note that he’s steadfastly refused to mention anything about the dogs he’s claimed to have trained or what departments he’s worked for even though he claims to have supported himself by training dogs for the last 20+ years or so. Who’s lacking credibility?"


"I don't believe that he is and I'm trying to find out."


"I then called her a liar."


"Last time I asked about his statements he didn't answer."


"Anyone who is a police K9 handler or trainer, is proud to say that they are and to give their qualifications when asked."


"And now I have another question for you."


" ..... when someone tries to bullshit me (and you) on a public list I'm going to call attention to it."


NOW VOODOO TRIES TO TALK ABOUT TABLES!!!


"So happy that Mr. England is now admitting that what he did a "long ago" (allegedly his words) was "wrong."  WRONG is hardly the appropriate word for what's described as occurring on the tapes.  (Which is described as being "several years" ago.  I guess time is relative when one is admitting wrongdoing).  I haven't seen the tapes myself so I'll have to hold my judgment until then.  But from what Molly has described it's animal torture under the pretense of training, pure and simple."


"But for me, the height of disrespect and discourtesy is to badmouth someone who's not present to defend themself."


"Hi Isabel.  You're right Brian is a friend of mine.  And I'm sure that his use of the table is fair and not abusive.  But after hearing of Gene England's use and knowing Steven Leigh I doubt that either of them use it that way."


"Since our brief conversation about the "proper use of Ecollars" I wonder when Mr. Leigh took his tutelage under Mr. England?  Is he using an Ecollar on a dog's testicles?  Is he choking dogs to the point of unconsciousness?  Mr. Leigh said a few months ago that he uses Ecollars correctly but then mentions Mr. England as having trained him, so I wonder?"


"I've only been training dogs for a bit over 20 years, not quite as long as Mr. Leigh but I've never felt the need to put dogs on a table to bring out their defensive side."


"Notice that Mr. Leigh doesn't answer the implied question, "I wonder..."  So I'll ask directly.  Mr. Leigh do you use Ecollars on the testicles of dogs that you train?  Do you habitually choke dogs to the point of unconsciousness?"


"Since Mr. Leigh continually evades direct questions with remarks such as this, we can only assume that he DOES use electricity on the testicles of dogs that he trains and that he DOES habitually choke dogs to the point of unconsciousness."


"This isn't training, this is abuse."


"Anyone who will take a month to train what others do in minutes is just wasting their own time, that of the people who pay them and that of the dogs.  I bet it's very profitable though.  I'm going to have to start slowing my training down to milk more money out of people."


"I only have about 12-14 years to train a dog.  I can't waste time taking a month to do what should be done in an hour."


"I think we can dispense with any training advice that comes from him in the future."


"For a good discussion of table training I recommend that people read what some of the top trainers in the world say about it on the Leerburg Forum."


"For a discussion on table training that has the opinion of quite a few folks, including Donn Yarnall, Kevin Sheldahl and Ed Frawley; go to"


"Some of the top trainers in the world comment on table training."


"BUT after reading your threats of violence in your private emails to me, before I blocked them, I'd be a fool to expose myself to your presence, especially on your training grounds."


"The ball is in your court.  We're still waiting."


"Well, Noel I'm sorry to keep you waiting for so long!!!  While you've been writing emails I've been teaching at a seminar in Florida."


"There's a vast difference between a mere handler and a trainer."


"I managed to stay in K9's by becoming the department's trainer."


"Yep and after considering several private posts and my hostile attitude toward Mr. Leigh I realized that I was reacting rather than responding. Mr. Leigh is correct when he says that the Table is just a tool.  It's how it's used that determines whether it's proper or not, whether it's abusive or not, or whether it's a good tool or not.  It's just another inanimate object."


"RATS.  this was supposed to go privately.  I'd promised myself that I'd stop making rude comments to Mr. Leigh."


MORE???  YES!!!  MORE!!!


"Too late to snivel out now."


"At my seminars ... "


"If anyone is interested you can see Donn's resume at his website"


"I’m headed out tonight to do some training with three local departments. Guess how much I’ll be paid. If I’m lucky, they’ll buy me dinner. That should just about cover my gas."


"Steve’s website makes all sorts of false allegations about me"


"I’m lucky to break even when I do get paid. Ain’t NOBODY getting rich by doing SAR or PSD seminars."


"If this is where you got your knowledge of Ecollars, I'm sure they're worthless.  ROFL"


"I could supply you with dozens of names of K9 officers that we’ve worked with. But we’re not in the sales business so we don’t need to."


"Anyone who aligns himself with Steve is of the same character that he is."


"So this means that "In the mid-70s," Mr. Leigh was using a tool that cause his dogs to "become frantic."  Why anyone would use such a tool in such a manner is beyond my understanding.  I guess that earning a living as a dog trainer justified it, at least in his mind."


"I’ve suggested that people call and judge for themselves which one of us is telling the truth."


"That’s the real reason I was removed."


"Just about every other department the size of CC hires an outside vendor to do their monthly maintanance training. CC didn't hire anyone until I was injured and unable to continue as the trainer.  That was some 15 years later."


"Steve it’s not my job to tell you what to put on your website. But I’d expect that if you’d been supporting yourself training dogs for 21 years as you keep telling us, that there’d be at least a couple of words about it. But all we see is pianos and organs."


"I suggest that folks visit YOUR website and see for themselves how involved you are in dogs at this time."


"I notice that your website talks about piano and organ sales, but not a word about dog training."


"Hmmm the website at the bottom of your posts doesn't say a word about training dogs.  It says that you sell pianos and organs."


"What's the difference???"


"How are the piano sales going???  ROFLMAO"


This is just the beginning ...... I started going through a whole folder of Louie's abusive messages, and this cut 'n paste stuff takes awhile.  I'll add a bunch more quotes here and there as time allows.  There is no end to Voodoo Louie's absurd bullshit, so be patient while I gather 'em in here!


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